Description: Stop immediately.

Question:  What advice do you have for young poets?

Transcript: Stop immediately. My advice for them is…my advice for myself and anyone else is trying to do—and it’s hard to remember oneself. It really is, because one of the terrible reasons--I think one of the reasons why poets disimprove with age is that, put very crudely, they think they know what they are doing. They think they know what they are doing. They think they are special. They think they’ve been around the block once or twice. They’re in command. You’d understand why people begin to think like that, particularly if no one you know increasingly there are fewer and people who have the nerve to say “you know what? Your poems stinks. Your poem stinks” which is what they should be saying, where appropriate. They are doing them a favor to say that. So what I say to them is forget about yourself as they say. Get over yourself. And remember that the greatest poems I think come from a place that no one can quite account for. There’s always a mysterious aspect about where they came from. That includes that essay you wrote when you were 15, when you wonder now who wrote that. And so one has to develop ways of, insofar as we can, of being able to get to that place.

Question: What should they read?

Transcript: Well, I mean, there’s one--a book that I often, from time to time, suggest to people to read is a book called Zen and The Art of Archery by yogun Heregal, a German philosopher who went to study with a Japanese master, a master archer. And this was a man who was able, as so many of them are, to hit a bullseye in the middle of the night, or blindfolded. So he goes of to find out how that is possible. Of course what he discovers is that it is possible only when one allows it to do it, when one has no engagement with it at all. Only when one gives oneself over to that. I know it sounds crazy, and I know I have said this to students and they think it’s nuts, but actually I really believe that, unless one does something like that, nothing really of any significance is going to come out of what you’re doing. Only when you allow yourself to go to that place of innocence  and ignorance, what Wordsworth called wise passiveness, what Keats describes negative capability. Only then are you going to make art that has any really meaning because it comes from that place of unknowing and it touches that place of unknowing in the reader.

Recorded on: 1/30/07