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Comment on: Was NAFTA a good idea?

Bigthink — Fri, 09 May 2008 12:20:26 +0100

Was NAFTA a good idea?
Has globalization been good for America?

Both of these are the wrong questions. The right question is how do we continue to prosper in a global economy?

Capital knows no borders. Corporations will move money and jobs around to whatever location offers them the maximum return on their investment. While there is a place for regulation to corral the rapacious nature of the corporate mentality, tariffs and trade barriers will never offer the protection workers imagine they will.

Comment on: Was NAFTA a good idea?

Bigthink — Thu, 08 May 2008 01:55:48 +0100

Senator McCain
NAFTA is the wet dream of the rich industrialist. But what makes me sad is that I think you really believe the things you say about "training the displaced workers.
THAT DOESN'T WORK!!
You can not train workers for jobs that don't exist. Please think about this. The jobs are sent to Mexico. The workers are not. They HAVE NO WORK! You talk of retraining but as a conservative republican you oppose education handouts. You oppose government getting involved in supporting the workers while they are out of work. You oppose giving aid and educational grants to junior colleges and universities. You, as a conservative republican want people to borrow their educational loans from private lending institutions. You, as a conservative republican, BLITHLY ignore the fact that private loans have been proven to be more expensive. You talk of generalities when you talk about jobs. You talk about downsizing government and replacing government workers with private sector workers. But you never explain how private sector workers can cost less than government workers. What you NEGLECT to verbalize in your plan is that the only way government workers can be replaced at a cost savings to the taxpayer is if the private dector companies that take their place renounce and re=ject the chance to earn a profit. Government workers replaced with temp workers who can't afford insurance, aren't provided insurance or pensions or sick days or vacations and have no expectation of steady long term emp;oyment. Not to mention actually knowing what they are diong in that former government job. Believe me, I would rather square off with an intractable government beuracrat any day than have to face a steiroid pumping inexperienced Blackwater rejected private sector temp worker who really doesn't care if I get admitted to a National Park because then he doesn't have to worry I am going to trip over the oil well and mess up production quotas for the rich international industrialists that you refuse to ask; "So how many good jobs have you created with in the United States of America in the past eight years?" I this a run on sentence? Sorry, you got me on a roll.
Seriously though; Okay, deep breath and...
The way it works is this. An industry opens a facility and needs to staff it. THAT IS WHEN you start training people for jobs. When you know what to train for and the trainees will be able to start using their new skills as they learn them. And they need to be paid while they are learning. And government is needed for that. And they need child care and government is needed for that. And they need health COST help and government is needed for that. And they need affordable housing and government is needed for that. And the industry that is opening needs tax breaks so they can compete with the companies you incentived to move to Mexico and government is needed for that. And everything, all the systems and infrastructure that was already in place and working just fine until you made it possible for the old jobs to move to Mexico or American Samoa or Saipan needs to be rebuilt and you need government for that.Hey Mister conservative republican! Tell me again how this philosophy brings about smaller, more efficent government? Especially you, Mr. Senator Reagan republican McCain who has held office during the largest republican buildup and espansion of both government and national debt than ALL THE OTHER PRECEDING ADMINISTRATIONS COMBINED!
I used to work in an electronics factory that bought parts from Mexico.
every January our defective unit count would spike because in Mexico, the border factory workers would go home for Christmas. Rather than shut down, The factories would go trolling for temporary workers. These people had very little idea what they were doing and cared less. These were the people the factories usually DIDN'T want working for them, but Hey! in a culture of just in time inventory, you gotta keep up production, even if the parts don't work. So what did my company do? They trained us to spot the defective parts so they could be returned for 2.5X credit.
That's NAFTA

Comment on: Was NAFTA a good idea?

Bigthink — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:20:16 +0100

ask anyone in mexico what they think and you'll have your answer.

Comment on: Was NAFTA a good idea?

Bigthink — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:20:21 +0100

i think this conversation needs a canadain point of view. NAFTA is supossed to encourage free trade but that simply hasn't happened. canadain exports into the U.S. (i.e. softwood lumber)have been taxed and tarrifed (softwood lumber was eventually taxed to cost the canadain economy 6 billion dollars) it has not been upheld. granted it has caused greater trade between the countries wich is great but the thought of a real trade union may mean greater assimilation of canada into the U.S. wich is something many canadains are opposed to.

Comment on: Was NAFTA a good idea?

Bigthink — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:59:53 +0100

NAFTA was a great idea. Although it caused lose of jobs it also created jobs. It has created greater relations between Canada, USA, and Mexico, and encourages these countries to rely on each other.

Comment on: Was NAFTA a good idea?

Bigthink — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:48:29 +0100

Judging by the living conditions created by the "maquiladoras" in the border towns, the fact the Mexican government is actually engaged in physical combat with the border towns' drug lords, and there are more Mexican refugees (oh sorry, illegal aliens) in the United States than ever before, I'd say no, NAFTA was not a good idea.

And that's not even discussing what it has done to the American worker...

Comment on: Was NAFTA a good idea?

Bigthink — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:03:40 +0100

Well, if everyone in Canada, USA and Mexico are up for a North American Union...... personally, much more is going on than meets the eye. There was a method to their madness.