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Bigthink — Thu, 01 May 2008 02:55:49 +0100

Jesse... 'many pagan ideas'... try ALL of them. sleep well in Praiseland.

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Bigthink — Thu, 01 May 2008 02:23:35 +0100

ok yous guys, i ve been gone for a day and you tear me a new one that will take a while to stitch up...

there will be signs and wonders so watch for them---actually dont- just accept Gods free gift!

as far as hell and eternal torment and blah blah blah i am finding out that our translators may have had bias that i should have been made aware of, that is why i desire to learn more about it and claim it is still a point of contention- many pagan ideas inflitrated the cathlioc church and we are still suffering from it... going to bed but will be back tom.

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Bigthink — Thu, 01 May 2008 00:51:03 +0100

Coyote, what do you feel about the idea of heaven and hell as alternate higher/lower dimensions?

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Bigthink — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:17:38 +0100

jesseakers Posted: 'Hell's nature is still a point of contention'

Most near-death experiences report heaven like conditions: love, light, deceased loved ones... While a minority are hell-experiences. Most of these report, not a lake of fire, but a rejection, or a 'casting out' into the pit, or the void of space. An utter absence of god (light, love, loved ones) by impossible distance. The sense of being commanded into the void prevails.

I am familiar with the experience as I had it as a child that almost died several times. Most who hear this story ask: why would god condemn an innocent child? I see it differently. Innocence is NOT a harvestable commodity; life experience is. In the garden of life, fruits and vegetables are harvestable, while those that bear no fruit or rotten fruit are cast into the compost bin. Recycled.

Hell is the recycler of soul stuff.

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Again, the film Constantine portrays both an excellent image of Coyote (Gabriel) as having her own agenda, AND a relevant image of Hell.

The film depicts Hell as a possible future with the blast furnace of the sun raking over the planet and our constructed world. For example, the earth's magnetic field seems to be sputtering; failure of this field will expose us to the full fury of the sun as depicted in the film.

There is evidence that our magnetic field has failed and reversed in the past. The passing of our solar system through the center of our galaxy's central plane in 2012 (end of the Mayan Long Count Calender; e.g: end-of-the-world) may affect this, akin to moving from a positive into a negative field.

Or a possible nuclear holocaust future where the very atmosphere and surface of the planet catch fire. E.g: the planets surface is loaded with hydrogen.

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I see Hell and Armageddon as cultural warning posts; a part of the Human Song that warns us to beware that our choices can easily destroy us. I also like the recent depictions in media (such as the TV series Heroes) where evolution or the Human Song will raise up heroes or prophets to warn us of and perhaps save us from such futures.

And to make jesseakers happy, the Bible does indeed tell us that is exactly what will happen in the 'end times.' Of course the Bible also tells us that it is hopeless to struggle, that we are all going to die and that the world will most certainly be totally destroyed.

While it also claims that a new earth will replace this one, we already know that has already happened repeatedly in the past. Ten millions years after an earth destroying event, it is like nothing has happened, except that everything is different. Are Christians going to sit in a spaceship waiting in suspended animation for several million years for the planet to rebuild?

jesseakers Posted: 'The Church'
That would be the Catholic Church. Protestants like to displace Catholics by laying claim to the term 'The Church' as the body of Jesus' true believers; the 144,000, or The Bride (Jesus' wedding and Judgment Day).

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Bigthink — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:22:26 +0100

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FREEDOM FROM RELIGION IS A HUMAN RIGHT
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Freedom from religious coercion
Freedom from religious harm
Freedom from religious interference

And yes, pokoj, church freedom means that if the church decides that a virgin sacrifice is necessary, the law cannot interfere.

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Bigthink — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:04:39 +0100

The White Stripes: Get Behind Me Satan is the album I was referring to... all their albums are great though...

Anyway Jesse... do you feel that the wording in the "Church Freedom" premise leaves it open for incidents such as Jim Jones and The People's Temple?

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Bigthink — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:45:28 +0100

musycks, Do you really want satan BEHIND you? (I hear he's really hung!)

(sorry jesse, perhaps you could lead us back to your original premise before this deteriorates further...)

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Bigthink — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:41:04 +0100

pokoj, You have wisdom beyond your years!

What album were you referring to?

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Bigthink — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:17:56 +0100

a couple thousand years? i'm only 23... and my jury's still out on reincarnation...

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Bigthink — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:16:51 +0100

thats a good album...

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Bigthink — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:18:44 +0100

Don't tempt me ss!!
get behind me satan!!

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Bigthink — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:17:47 +0100

Jesse... hell's nature still a point of contention?! c'mon, you guys have had a couple of thousand years to work this out!
... I guess the devil is in the detail?!

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Bigthink — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:04:12 +0100

I can't wait until musycks unloads with the mocking!

This is a good post, jesse, I'm almost having as much fun as the baptists!

S44, Will you mock satan?

Sometimes the "belief system" makes me feel like a Delta pledge on Double-secret probation! (this calls for a really stupid and futile gesture...)

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Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:27:46 +0100

oh boy this is getting fun :p

Sorry Jesse, didn't mean to distract from the original idea... and it has been force-fed, but in the guise of the fire and brimstone preachers who threaten with hell. at least to me...

it reminds me of that stephen king tv spot, storm of the century "Hell is repetition!"

anyone seen "event horizon?"

musycks... i assumed such...
be careful, though i've heard it's one of Satan's most hated feelings, being mocked :) keep your eyes out for those horns and pitchfork...

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"Isn't there enough to fear in this crazy world without making up more crazy things to worry about?"

part of our belief system bro, nothing new...

"Do you want your fellow man to suffer for eternity because of a disagreement?"
I believe that as God is just, the only way anyone is going to suffer for eternity is if they learn of God's true nature (or Jesus, the Holy Spirit...) and defy Him... so in my world you guys are safe...

"Besides, I know you guys really don't want to believe in hell, do you?"

its not a matter of desire... i've been pretty close...

"Is that the balance for heaven? Why can't we all go to heaven? Exclusive club?"

i'm not going down that road... we should start a new topic for discussing heaven and hell...

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Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:21:29 +0100

one- Hell's nature is still a point of contention

two- sujbect only to the law where it does not interefer- for example if we were told it was illegal to preach against homosexuality- well we are not obligated to follow that law

three- the church is not a physical entity as far as i believe this point is trying to make, but that the true church-consisting of believers- are not able to be overcome by satan although anything on this world has the ability to be corrupted, including a church, but not The Church

FOUR-i believe we are not to rely on taught doctrine methods but by studying it ourselves to come into agreement rather than be force-fed with doctrine- for example as a child be taught about the three wise men- when actually the magi we many
also that jesus was born on christmas
all those convientently taught things- dumbing it down for kids i believe is not the answer-explain to them what they will understand but dont start them out with false teaching...

and poko- i relate to you on the hell issue-is this another doctrine that has been force fed?

we shall see

muysycs- just because we're paranoid doesnt mean theyre not after us!

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Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:13:29 +0100

Isn't there enough to fear in this crazy world without making up more crazy things to worry about? Do you want your fellow man to suffer for eternity because of a disagreement? Seems a cold and cruel viewpoint. Strike that, HOT and cruel.

Besides, I know you guys really don't want to believe in hell, do you? Is that the balance for heaven? Why can't we all go to heaven? Exclusive club?

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Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:46:07 +0100

pokojesse... my two headed Xtian beast!
Satan exists in your imaginations my friends! set yourselves free, you'll feel much better...
gee, it's getting warm in here....
oh oh...

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Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:02:23 +0100

the only thing that causes hell to exist is Satan, or even if he were to repent, an equal desire to be God, (which in itself has to be a blatant misunderstanding of God,) which is to separate yourself from God, which is hell...

I can confirm thats what I generally believe about hell right... now... can't say that won't change...

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Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:56:22 +0100

Sorry I missed:
-"Bible freedom: the individual is free to interpret the Bible for himself or herself, using the best tools of scholarship and biblical study available to the individual"

This is very important, but there is a difference in being "free" to do something and being encouraged to do so...

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Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:55:13 +0100

Focusing only on your bullet points...

-"Soul freedom: the soul is competent before God, and capable of making decisions in matters of faith without coercion or compulsion by any larger religious or civil body"

I like that...

-"Church freedom: freedom of the local church from outside interference, whether government or civilian (subject only to the law where it does not interfere with the religious teachings and practices of the church)"

That can be dangerous if misused... the focus should be on removing from a hierarchical government within the sect, like the Catholic Church... the wordage "subject only to the law where..." used here causes me some alarm...

-"Bible freedom: the individual is free to interpret the Bible for himself or herself, using the best tools of scholarship and biblical study available to the individual"

-"Religious freedom: the individual is free to choose whether to practice their religion, another religion, or no religion; Separation of church and state is often called the "civil corollary" of religious freedom"

The individual is free to do so of course, but that would put them outside of the church, no?