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Comment on: Socratic method - Politics

Bigthink — Fri, 02 May 2008 21:05:16 +0100

jesse,

i hope that hope is not lost, for if there is no hope, then we are doomed (and we are probaly doomed regardless).

as far as:
democracy
communism
republic
sociliast
capitalist
and theocracy

They all have one thing common, trying to come up with the best idea to keep everyone happy. not necessarily utilitarian but what we may call the greater good. i think humans figured out a long time ago that that helping eachother survive is a lot easier than every man for themselves. feudal society has left the civilized world with the natural occurance of the haves and have nots. and those who have try their very best to hold all that they have and prevent those without to get their hands on it.

i think it was locke who wrote a theory of justice...veil of ignorance and so forth. this had the right idea in theory, but locke dared not tell people how to put those ideas into practice...with the veil, we are supposed to imagine every possible person in every possible situation and take their needs and wants into account, when further examining this idea we find out that people personal beliefs often directly conflict with eachother, thus creating a situation that can't be put into practice.

the onlything i could come up with is that the only justification for action is to act in the name of justice itself. since we cannot ever fully agree on a definition of justice (there is always that hazy line we don't know where to cross) then we can only act on the majority.

i don't know
a) if the mojority actually has a clue what the hell is going on
b) if there is an objective (there you go skep) justice or if each culture has the right to act upon their views.

I do know
People have individual rights
human life has intrinsic value
faith cannot be justification for action (even though it affects everyones point of view)
people are screwed anyways and our only saving grace is helping each other out...

my guess is as good as yours here fellas

Comment on: Socratic method - Politics

Bigthink — Thu, 01 May 2008 02:41:25 +0100

i dont disagree faceless, we are truly lost, but there is hope, but we are lost, hope,lost,.......

Comment on: Socratic method - Politics

Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:24:00 +0100

all we have are human systems, and you forgot to put religion on that list, or theorcracy if you want to make it more political.

anarchy would never be peaceful. governments are unavoidable.

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Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:11:01 +0100

its only the fact of the matter that no human system is expempt from destruction by -HUMANS

democracy
communism
republic
sociliast
capitalist

someone always finds a way....to screw it up

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Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:29:25 +0100

Yeah, what I'm asking for will never work. Some people will ruin it for the people that want to make something peaceful like that happen. It's sad how a small fraction of the population make it so that we all have to deal with a government.

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Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:08:36 +0100

whoops..... mea culpa...

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Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:09:30 +0100

Ok guys lets not turn this into another argument about god, we have plenty, plenty of those. (even though it is in faith and beliefs, sigh)

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Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:03:49 +0100

Jesse... you just want a big fat father figure to look after you! can i suggest Santa instead of Jevohvah!?
what's wrong with humans? we've invented fantasic things.. football, movies, music! the list goes on...
and bad things... god, religion, Celine Dion!
get over this humans are crap idea, and we need help (celestial in your estimation)... we're actually pretty good.

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Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:26:45 +0100

S44, Understood, too bad there's not more activity elsewhere.

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Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:19:34 +0100

thus the idea that people are not competent to run themselves

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Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:47:11 +0100

If we have punishment it is no longer anarchy. And actually i think thats kind of th rule of the day when it comes to moders politics prevent harm anviolence exibited upon others, does not always work of course.

So i would say it is not avalid political theory to have anarchy, because we most likley cant abandon those impulses.

But i agree that we should try, to be less judgemental and violent.

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Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:27:51 +0100

I actually don't think every human on earth can abandon those tendencies in mind. But if we can make it a universal law that if you act on those tendencies in the physical world then you shall be punished for it.

Abandoning ignorance will cure all disagreement. Disagreement stems from lack of understanding, I try my hardest to understand you and become less ignorant of your views on this world, I can see why you are so skeptical therefore I can't disagree with you.

I'm not sure who Tolstoy is, but for him agreeing with me on how the world should be ran I give him an A ;) haha

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Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:10:17 +0100

Jeff
What makes you think w can ababdon those tendencies? After all passion goes both ways, love and hate.

Will abandoning these tendensies cure all dissagrrement? There may not b violence, but there still may be chaos and ineficiency.

Wasnt this Tolstoy's ideal system? Or ama i making things up.

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Bigthink — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:57:19 +0100

If humans could leave behind all violent and ignorant tendencies, the world should eliminate all government facilities and systems and exist as a cooperative anarchy.

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Bigthink — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:40:24 +0100

jesse ill leve the first statement be and concentrate on the second one.

A representative republic functions under the rules writen by lawmakers, who are inturn elected by the people. So if said lawmakers chse to pass a law limiting the number of times a president may get elected, how is that going against the principal of the republic? After all it is not a pure democracy.

SS
No it has nothing to do with faith (directlly) i simplly posted it here because sadlly no one visits the other sections. I ussually chek out politics, world, and wisdom sections, and there is never any activity.
Plus it was a responce ot my previous socratic method post, which was in this section.

Comment on: Socratic method - Politics

Bigthink — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:51:36 +0100

S44, Does this lead into "faith & beliefs" somehow? Politics of religion, or something? I'm confused a bit...

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Bigthink — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:10:25 +0100

too bad that king doesn't exist

you forgot beneficent.

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Bigthink — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:46:43 +0100

the only effecient method of government would be a monarchy with an all powerful all knowing and eternal King

every other political system fails, all other leaders fall or fade away, every other economic system crashes

now getting back to our current situation lets deal with this-

- the 22nd amendment(presendtial terms) holds not water because if we should want to elect a leader by popular vote more than twice that should be our right in this republic