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Bigthink — Thu, 15 May 2008 20:38:33 +0100

TELL ME WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO SHAKE UP YOUR WHOLE WORLD VIEW?

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Bigthink — Thu, 15 May 2008 08:56:08 +0100

I know exactlly how you feel Jeff, not long ago i wa a belive in UFOs the loch nes monster, ghosts, and all that good stuff. But honestlly when i loked at all the evidence it was lacking at best, so maby the government is covering shit up, but if they are they are doing a good job. Maby these bits of information have some truth to them, they could just as easilly be hoaxes, given the nature of the claims im inclined to belive the latter. Im not paticularilly interested in doing reasearch on these thing right now because i used to and found nothing of true substance, though at the time i though every jakasses analisis of roswel was facinating, then i realised most of them were talking out of thrir ass. So if there is a paticular bit of information that you think is credible in presvasive please post the link and il chek it out, i am still open to everything. Or so i like to think.

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Bigthink — Thu, 15 May 2008 06:08:02 +0100

Do your research, the montauk chair and the philadelphia experiment are two instances of black ops scientists tampering with alien technology to bend the space/time contiuum. Some black ops scientists have leaked out information, media covered it up, the information still got out there you just need to find it on your own.

Did two drunk English men who just left the pub make those beautiful crop circles? Come on, those are too complex of a design and are made too fast and are formed in different parts of the world in such a short amount of time.

The Yonaguni Pyramid, a submerged pyramid off the shore of Japan, it had to have been made when the ice caps made the shore line very low. Proving that civilization existed long before the Sumerians, Chinese, and Egyptians were around.

I forget the exact name of the experiment, but a couple thousand people meditated close together in the Washington D.C. thinking peaceful thoughts manipulating the torsion field and crime reduced around that area by 75% for a day or so.

Light carrying Salamander DNA from a salamander egg to a frog egg changing the molecular structure of the frog to a salamander.

If I had the time I would pull up the links but those are just some things that I've learned and you can learn more about them on your own, it's more personal that way.

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Bigthink — Thu, 15 May 2008 02:36:55 +0100

Well mate show me proff that is objective, verified, and can be proven with scientific analisis. And i will take your claim seriously. But if you say such things as love is the proof of a soul, i can feel the spiritual realm. Or my favorite, science has holes in its theories so logically that is the spirit realm. Im not denying the spiritual i just have no idea if it is there or not.

How do you know the government and the media is lying to us JD. Again it would not surprise me one bit if they wer covering up supernatural ocurances. But what proof do you have. Basically heres my outlook if the government found aliens for instance (just a random example) im sure they would coer it up. But that does not mean that they have found them.

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Bigthink — Thu, 15 May 2008 00:10:59 +0100

I just watched a great video, David Wilcock was saying something that seems so true, the people in power would rather let a nuclear bomb destroy a U.S. city than let the knowledge and science of torsion fields be accepted worldwide. You people get your news from the media that is bought out by shadow governments, what do you really know?

The people in charge would rather kill half the population of the world than have physical proof for supernatural occurences be exposed out in the open. So atheists, you are just as much of a sheep as the Christians are here in the United States.

People are awakening though, expect great changes soon.

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Bigthink — Wed, 14 May 2008 23:13:44 +0100

OK i really have no problem with that... but TELL ME WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO SHAKE UP YOUR WHOLE WORLD VIEW?

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Bigthink — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:29:03 +0100

I agree with Herbie, sience is not even close to being able to explain everything. But religion, even spirituality fails to explain anything. Even if certan religios or spiritual conceps are "true: there is no objective proff for them. So Cayce may well have had some influence on the energy fields the rest of us dont, he may well have not. The point is if he did the only way such things will be discovered is through science. Scientific analisi is simplly the best way we can find out truth about the world, even though though nothing can be proven objectivelly its our best indication.

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Bigthink — Wed, 14 May 2008 08:23:43 +0100

Yes there are a great many things that science can%u2019t explain but, as far as physical phenomena are concerned, it is the only reliable tool for investigating them.

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Bigthink — Wed, 14 May 2008 08:21:04 +0100

Jeff I think that you have atheists, blasphemers and scientists all conflated. There are all quite separate categories of person. None of them are movements or societies of which it is possible to be a member (with the exception of certain types of scientist). It is quite possible (and frequently the case) that a person may be one of the above but not the others or they may be any combination. You make wild assumptions about people that are not justified from the things that they have posted.

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Bigthink — Wed, 14 May 2008 08:14:05 +0100

There are many atheist Buddhists.

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Bigthink — Wed, 14 May 2008 06:32:49 +0100

That 2nd paragraph is kind of confusing, I was thinking and typing about Christians and Atheists simultaneously and it came out like that. Think about the paragraph that first came Christians, then came Atheists.

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Bigthink — Wed, 14 May 2008 06:29:44 +0100

I see, the Research centers all around the world, the overwhelming amount of evidence of his medical predictions being true, it was all just a huge conspiracy to lead me to think that it was true. I understand it now perfectly, thanks for opening my eyes.

Your just like all of the other atheists, but instead of calling me a blasphemer you tell me I have no idea what is going on in this world. But weren't the original blasphemers atheists? (Not all but most) Let me create a scientific theory and give it the test of time, it took blasphemers a couple of centuries to create a large enough group on this world to be a somewhat respected bunch of people called atheists, I say somewhat because in America no one seems to accept them but everywhere else in the world they are widely accepted.

Let's see how long it will take for people to start realizing that science can't explain everything, and there really is a humongous amount of activity going on outside of what science can explain.

I think atheism was only created because the monotheistic religions have left the members so bitter towards everything spiritual. You ever heard of an atheist who was raised Buddhist?? The eastern religions seem to be getting something right that the sky god of the west is starting to lose grip on.

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Bigthink — Wed, 14 May 2008 06:04:12 +0100

Jeff reading something on the internet is seldom considered to constitute proof. If a drug company could simply publish a few subjective accounts in order to have the Surgeon General validate a new drug they wouldn%u2019t go to all the expense of clinical trials.

I was not displaying hostility; I did not make a comment about your yapping.

There are a number of claims about the bizarre and supernatural in the world, some are self contradictory and make little sense, most, if true, would challenge the foundations of science and reason and the world would make no sense %u2013 just like many of your posts.

D Gallo, as I have indicated before the number of additional witnesses is irrelevant. Plenty of people have witnessed spiritual healing events but I find them unconvincing. If I witnessed an event that challenged my assumptions about the nature of the world I would have to investigate it with the tools of knowledge and reason that I have at my disposal. If I found that the event remained an anomaly that could not be accommodated then yes I would be forced to shift my assumptions. This happened when I switched from a Newtonian view of the universe to one that accepted genera relativity and again when my simple view of sub-atomic particles had to accommodate quantum mechanics.

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Bigthink — Tue, 13 May 2008 23:33:47 +0100

Oh and yes, this was during the first half of the 20th century, all of the North Eastern educated doctors were fascinated with this man from the south who dropped out of school in 8th grade and could do better work than them. I believe Franklin Delano Roosevelt and several other respectable characters went to him as well for advice and predictions.

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Bigthink — Tue, 13 May 2008 23:30:36 +0100

My bad, he only made 8,000 medical predictions, and they were all correct. He had 6,000 more predictions about the future and not all of those were right. But you should do the research on your own, a good website for his medical "research" (I'm not sure what exactly to call it) is http://edgarcayce.org/caycehealthdatabase.html and there are over 25 centers around the world dedicated to research on Edgar's research, and the main one is in Washington D.C. I think where all of his readings were written down by a stenographer(SP) right next to him while he was in his trance.

Good luck.

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Bigthink — Tue, 13 May 2008 23:18:59 +0100

Jeff its a nice story, but how do we know thre is any truth to is. Are any of these cases documented if so were would i go to find them. And have none bias medical experts confirmed these predictions?

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Bigthink — Tue, 13 May 2008 22:59:52 +0100

You guys have never heard of Edgar Cayce? Wow the media has done a great job keeping him a secret, google the name "Edgar Cayce".

Now back to what I was saying. In a trance state, meaning he was laying down with his eyes closed, all he had to know was just the name of the sick person and a general area of where they were, from there he could diagnose what was wrong and give the person asking for help directions on how to cure the sickness.

For instance (this is very simple) if my cousin had a sore throat I would go give him my cousins name and where he was, the problem and diagnoses terminology would be far beyond an 8th grade dropouts vocabulary and tell me something is wrong with the throat exactly what is wrong, then say something like go have them gargle warm salt water twice a day, once in morning and once at night.

Something very simple like that is what he did 13,000 times. But like I said, the only thing I'm not sure if I would consider it a miracle in how he could scan the persons body while in a trance state and say exactly what was wrong and exactly how to fix it.

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Bigthink — Tue, 13 May 2008 22:38:39 +0100

before this turns into a useless yelling match, let me ask you both this....

Jeff.. how do we know this healer actually did the healing? 13k is a nice track record, but is it causal?

Herbie.. i agree the order and logic we relate to our world is usefull...but what if there was a big concert one day, a million people to see the stage, video cameras rolling and all...out of nowhere pops a guy in a time machine...hey everyone I'm from the future!.... WHAT THEN?

And to you both...what would be the differnce between the two. why believe in one and not the other? what would it take? for you to adjust everything you thought you knew.

Jeff you are probably there already...i know this guy's impacted your POV

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Bigthink — Tue, 13 May 2008 22:09:02 +0100

HerbieP I am sensing some hostility. I find it depressing that you are so negative. Perhaps you should learn to better understand something before you go and yap your mouth about it, because everything you said was entirely wrong. Have a good day though my friend, and remember your mind is like a parachute, it only works if it is open.

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Bigthink — Tue, 13 May 2008 22:04:30 +0100

Aparentlly things that we consider miraculus or imposible happen on the quantum mechanics level all the time. But even on our scale there is a miniscule chance that if i keep walking into a wall for an incrediblly long time there is a chance that i wil walk right through.

This is all string theoy stuff. But basically even all my skepticism and hume stuff aside, that alone will make me doubt that anything i see is trully happening an is a miracle. But even if we take our reality as we see it anything is posible acording to mathematical theory so a face in the sky, or aomeone walking through walls will not convincem of anything supernatural.