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Comment on: how can religion deny LEGAL rights to gay people?

Bigthink — Mon, 05 May 2008 19:04:34 +0100

I think people underestimate how many of us are "on the fence" about our sexual identities. It is a possibility that if gay marriage was allowed, there would be a massive shift in that direction by large numbers of people. Let's just say this happens...

Well, now, let's imagine how children would be conceived, claimed, assigned to caretakers, and whatnot, if masses of people were now free to marry one of their own gender?

Only on a massive scale does this become a problem, but what if it happens? The bottom line is gay couples must ALWAYS go outside their relationship for children, unless there is a previous heterosexual partner. Adoption is certainly good. They can go to a sperm bank. They can hire surrogates. There is no biological tie...

Where is this leading? Since children aren't automatically generated as part of the gay marriage package, gays have to go to special lengths to GET their children. Children in society could easily become a commodity, to be bought and sold like property.

I'm not saying it has to happen, but maybe it is not moronic to be wary of setting up this kind of social experiment...

Comment on: how can religion deny LEGAL rights to gay people?

Bigthink — Mon, 05 May 2008 02:26:18 +0100

I don't understand this hatred and fear of gay people. I mean seriously - what the hell are you afraid of? I have a few gay friends and they are really perfectly average except for their "condition". Homosexuality is not contagious and, in spite of what a lot of conservatives may think, it is not a choice (granted there are some exceptions).

I hate to be rude but Tom White exactly what kind of idiot are you? Are you seriously saying that it's not war, drugs, poverty, gangs, corruption, terrorism, pollution, crime, that would sooner lead our civilisation into decay? That we had the worlds biggest idiot controlling the worlds largest stockpile of nuclear warheads for the last 8 years and that Iran is about to gain the capability to blow a whole city off the face of the earth just for insulting them doesn't bother you? No it's the gays that are plotting to turn everyone on earth gay thus ending our race forever. Those crafty well-groomed bastards.

And qtrain55. I hate to break it to you but if god saw fit to make someone gay then the almighty creator of the universe can accept that they are going to be attracted to the same sex and not judge them for it. Who knows you might even end up sharing a cloud with a handsome Swedish blonde hairdresser named Swen who enjoyed nursing injured puppies while he was alive.

They are just people with the same rights as everyone else. We have bigger problems people.

Comment on: how can religion deny LEGAL rights to gay people?

Bigthink — Sun, 04 May 2008 03:56:16 +0100

Wow, how many of you are actually serious...

First off, LEGALLY religion can't be involved with legal affairs. Separation of church and state. However the Christian Right has seen fit to close this gap, and continue to promote these ideas of bigotry as the belief of the rest of the Christian communities... If homosexuality was as big of an issue as it is made out to be (to put it in terms the bigots can understand, if God did hate gay people) do you not think JESUS would have said something about it? In all His preaching about Love, where did you guys find "Oh yeah, and my pops hates fags." You can't refer to the Old Testament as a source, or we'd still be stoning adulterers. Jesus put an end to that with "You who are without sin cast the first stone." And frankly the passages in Romans that anti-gay people like to bring up speaks ONLY of immoral sex, not of love.

Please don't claim Christianity as a means of promoting hate.

Comment on: how can religion deny LEGAL rights to gay people?

Bigthink — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:10:06 +0100

i dont feel like reading all this so this is what i think.

Gays shouldnt marry i mean look at your bodies together they dont even look like they go together and. and this nation was found on christian faith not budhist or anything else so why should we listen to other religions. We are christians we should live by our faith and if you dont believe in God then thats your lost. When your burning in hell then i will still pray for you.

Comment on: how can religion deny LEGAL rights to gay people?

Bigthink — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:47:54 +0100

gays should be able to marry because if they can't than the confidence of gays will drop if the gay comunity could marry the gays will come out of the closet or it will help mabey

Comment on: how can religion deny LEGAL rights to gay people?

Bigthink — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:04:29 +0100

I don't feel like readin all these so I am just going to say what I think instead!

First off...Marriage is for EVERYBODY!They should not tell someone "You can't get married to somebody of the same sex" It's wrong and stupid! Love knows no bounds and no gender.You can not help WHO you fall in love with.The government and world need to realize that,deal with it,and move on with their lives!

Also, the idea that all homosexual people want to do is change everybody else is SO far from true.I have friend's who are homosexuals and they have friends that are straight and never ONCE have they tried to change that.Yea sure,some are asses and think the world would be better if all were Homosexual but they are literallly just ASSES and it's not fair for someone to base their opinions on a few of those people!

Anyways,but yea...people get over gender,get over homosexuality,and just live your life.Gay marriage should be legal!!

That's all I have to say.GOOD DAY!

Comment on: how can religion deny LEGAL rights to gay people?

Bigthink — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:23:47 +0100

If the case against gay marriage is a religious one, it should be legalized immediately because we live in a secular nation, where you have freedom of and from religion.

Comment on: how can religion deny LEGAL rights to gay people?

Bigthink — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:45:35 +0100

Tom White, that's crazy talk. First of all, the removal of homosexuality from the AMA's list of mental illnesses was not a unilateral decision. It was agreed on by the vast majority of the psychiatric community after a presentation that showed homosexual couples leading loving and healthy lives. They decided that if homosexuality did not hurt the homosexual or others it could not possibly be a mental illness. Homosexuality is not abnormal. In fact, there are many animal species that participate in homosexual behavior. Also, Kinsey, through extensive interviews, showed that most people exhibit some kind of homosexual tendencies, whether in action or fantasy.

Your unpleasant experiences with a few gay people does not validate a sordid view of all gays. That's unreasonable and childish.

What exactly is this "gay agenda" people keep talking about? If your referring to the idea of "gay recruitment" all I can say is that's ridiculous. Gay people want to meet other gay people so they can have sex and fall in love like the rest of us.

Despite was you think should be our country's moral code, we live in a secular democracy and therefore it is not our government's right to impose a moral blanket of others. It is not your right to feel comfortable with what your neighbor is doing, unless their actions are negatively and DIRECTLY affecting your physical/mental health.

~lucie

Comment on: how can religion deny LEGAL rights to gay people?

Bigthink — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:28:05 +0100

I find it interesting that anyone has an adnormality should be accepted as normal. Homosexuality was thrust upon the public years ago as being normal by the head of a division of psychiatry some 30 years ago. It was found out years later that he was a homosexual. I have had experiences with them in trying vulgar things even in movie theaters. They try to get into boy scouts and all other types of organizations to future their motives and agendas. And they want other types of perverts to also be accepted. Marriage is one of the agendas they have. We should not let them be one of the things that destroy and values and morals and help lead our civilization into decay like so many before us.

Comment on: how can religion deny LEGAL rights to gay people?

Bigthink — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:50:33 +0100

In my honest opinion, being derectly affected by this, it's all about money and religion. Religion, the easy part, is simply using the bible or other passed down words to vilify what you find different or offensive. They don't like it so they have to make it against God. Money, is a bit more complicated. Think about the amount of cash it would cost businesses to provide benefits for all of our partners? It would also cost government because domestic partner coverage is post-income tax, spousal coverage is pre-income tax.

Comment on: how can religion deny LEGAL rights to gay people?

Bigthink — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:04:03 +0100

To most conservatives marriage is distinctly defined as between a man and a women. If the law were changed to include same-sex couples the word marriage would lose its credence. I believe most religious conservatives fight against gay marriage in part to preserve the sanctity of their own marriages, even though legal marriage is outside the jurisdiction of the church. If the government were to recognize same-sex relationships as equal to heterosexual relationships the fear is that the rest of society will follow.

Comment on: how can religion deny LEGAL rights to gay people?

Bigthink — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:03:41 +0100

Comment on: how can religion deny LEGAL rights to gay people?

Bigthink — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:54:05 +0100

To many conservatives marriage is defined as a partnership between a man and a women, if the legal definition were to change to include same-sex relationships, the word marriage itself would lose credence. Any act that brings the conservative and highly religious in closer equality to what they consider the decrepit undermines their own sanctity.

Comment on: how can religion deny LEGAL rights to gay people?

Bigthink — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:21:11 +0100

People who tout the idea that gay marriage will destroy heterosexual marriage are so caught up in throwing out key phrases with no meaning that they forget to actually think about what they are saying. They are afraid of change, and stuck in the status quo, without any real basis for their fears. The idea of gay marriage is so foreign to these people that they reject it without a moment's thought, and there is really very little we can do to change their minds. People have to adjust to this new notion on their own, and all we can do is stick to our guns and wait it out.

Comment on: how can religion deny LEGAL rights to gay people?

Bigthink — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:56:38 +0100

nothing about marriage is sanctified.

The one charm about marriage is that it makes a life of deception absolutely necessary for both parties.
-Oscar Wilde

Comment on: how can religion deny LEGAL rights to gay people?

Bigthink — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:35:07 +0100

I agree. I also think that there is a great unspoken hypocracy in teh assumption that although we have a 50% divorce rate, marriage is sacred. Why aren't the religious conservatives demanding that divorce or adultery be made illegal.

It makes me sad that people who love each other have fewer rights than people who marry for money.