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Comment on: Does the conept of free will dietize us?

Bigthink — Sat, 03 May 2008 00:32:18 +0100

Sorry about that, I must have missed this thread and I never responded back.

Trying to think back, I was bringing up the multiverses because well there is an infinite amount of myselves going on in other universes right now all with their own free will, but I want to get off the whole multiverse infinite topic.

Does our free will dietize us? Of course, can you create something in your mind and see it visually in their? Did you ever stop to think that's what "God" (or whatever created us) did to create us? You have the free-will to create whatever you want in your mind, and you have the free-will to shape your physical surroundings to fit your needs so now we are creating our own universe and we are changing around the universe that we were created in. That sounds like something a small time diety would do, maybe once we become more evolved we can do greater stuff. Did you ever wonder if our pets think we are gods? We feed, water, and give our pets shelter, just like nature fed, watered, and gave our ancient ancestors shelter and some tribes thought nature was a diety.

Comment on: Does the conept of free will dietize us?

Bigthink — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:02:20 +0100

to make a cause that is not the effect of anything is impossible in my opinion. this is not to say that we can be the choosers of our own fates. it does however mean that we are solely the result of what has come before us. and we will in turn effect those that come after. but does that mean that we can't make a decision to choose? no. we can only choose from the choices we have, but we have a choice.

does it dietize? not really, if you want to look at it that way you can i guess because we are generating something new (i.e our individual choice) but it is not coming from nowhere. we can only create music with the notes on the scale and paint with the colors of the spectrum. we only have what we have to work with, but it doesn't mean we can't create a work of art.

as far as us being cause and effects of synapse firing and having no choice in the the matter, that this pattern moves us in a way that our choice has already been made before we make it. i don't think so. if we were to mimic the human brain one day and create artificial intelligence. would that be able to have free will?

if we do make something that can choose on it's own then maybe we can start calling ourselves gods, but for now we can just say we have a little bit of godishness, but i know i can't make a new color or note on the scale.

Comment on: Does the conept of free will dietize us?

Bigthink — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:13:32 +0100

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The reason this dietizes us is that we are able to whenever we chose anything to creat a sort of big bang. Just bcause other things preceded us does not change the power of being able to make a cause that is not the effect of anything. God being "the cause of all" really is a magnitude comparison which is basically irelvant. Weather you have a handfull of sand or a truck full of sand its still sand.

Comment on: Does the conept of free will dietize us?

Bigthink — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:08:24 +0100

To Skeptic44:

First, I'm impressed with your knowledge of this topic. Here would be an objection I might raise though:
You say that if we were to have a soul that granted us free will through changing the path of the cause-effect chain our bodies undergo, then our soul must have the ability to make a cause that was uncaused, i.e., a first cause. But I would answer: how would this first cause have anything to do with the way God is the first cause of all? Even if our souls can make an uncaused cause, it doesn't follow that we are ourselves God - we are still contingent beings; God isn't.

Comment on: Does the conept of free will dietize us?

Bigthink — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:10:17 +0100

so the idea of a will i can see as being prime in that it is the first mover,

however i still cannot connect the dots between stating that creator and creation are one in the same, maybe i would replace the idea of deity with the idea of a soul as far as will goes, but my choices only have an effect on what already exists, not that i created anything new,

imagine the energy concept, that energy is never lost it just changes form, mechanical-heat-pressure-and so on, even black holes which supposely suck up everything emit radiation,

it may be comparable to deity only in its eternity, that is from the beginning it lasts forever, the impact of your choice goes on and on forever, changing forms perhaps but never ceasing to exist

Comment on: Does the conept of free will dietize us?

Bigthink — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:05:25 +0100

But jesse the coice is a completly indepentat prime begining in itself. If we have free will that is. If the coice is more then just a bnch of particles acting upon another, it then has to be not direct subject to any cause. Therefeore in itself a prime cause. How much it will effect is not onlly unimportan but its unknown, no way we can tell ho much a a choice or prime cause will change in the future. And it is irelevant because as long as its prime cause the magnitude is irelevant, again what is great and what is not is a subjective concept. As long as ts prime its comparable to a diety.

Comment on: Does the conept of free will dietize us?

Bigthink — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:52:12 +0100

free will is different from God because it is not all powerful, it will create only consequences and rewards for the choices made, with your free will you have created nothing new, you simply made a choice in a universe that has already decided what your choice causes to happen to you, we are not Gods that create beginnings, we are a product of, not the creator itself, genetic and enviromental factors are all at play

Comment on: Does the conept of free will dietize us?

Bigthink — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:06:01 +0100

I agree with you I think we are linked to the beginning of whatever you want to call it. I also think are choices are limited by personal history, our parents and so on. For example, Skeptic44, you came from the Ukraine, your parents exposed you to the experience of shocking your body with cold to build up the immune system, a belief you still hold to this day with the hot sauna cold shower. So when you think of boosting your immune system you use this cold element preventive technique. I would argue you had no choice in that belief. If was forced on you by your personal history. My parents were born in Serbia, I was born in Canada, my parents never exposed me to such an idea, I only herd of it later on TV. My parents exposed me to other things that I now believe in. Gypsy stuff, you know, God, spirits, dream analysis and so forth.
You belief most things because of your own personal history. I too carry around a lot of personal history that defines my life. But as we get older we start to make new decisions based on the information we get. For example being on big think has nothing to do with our parents. We choose of our own free will to sit down and log on to big think. We could choose not to.
I do admit there is a large degree of cause and effect, maybe even 99%, in our lives, but if we make even 1 choice out of every 100 occurences, that can be considered an astronomical amount. And I would still call that free will.

Comment on: Does the conept of free will dietize us?

Bigthink — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:12:32 +0100

JeffDelano

I must say i completly missed were you are going with the whole multiverse thing. If there are in fact multiple universes this does no change my question one bit. Because i asume reguardless of what may be diferent in those universes, laws of physics and so on. I imagine the most basic concept of cause and effect still aplies. Hence my question still remains much as it would be if there was only one universe.

Comment on: Does the conept of free will dietize us?

Bigthink — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:25:03 +0100

Well that's why there is an infinite amount of alternate universes as well. It's a hard concept to grasp, but the idea of intelligent infinity has always made sense to me. There is an infinite amount of yourselves, in an infinite amount of alternate universes, making decisions of their free will in an infinite amount of different situations. You right now are just experiencing one of the finite versions of the infinite versions that there are out there. Since we are a finite version in an infinite amount of universe(s) it makes us a part of the infinite as well being in potential of the infinite, so therefore we are already dietized before our free will comes in to question.

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Bigthink — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:19:14 +0100

but HZ if we are inseprablly conected with the rest of the universe. (i actually belive this myself) we do not have free will per say as individuals rather we are pieces of a larger self or concience which is everything. (this im not so certain about bu in general i dont belive in free will).

You should see the idea "we are the universe considering itself" its not mine but i have commented in it.

Comment on: Does the conept of free will dietize us?

Bigthink — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:09:06 +0100

I think God knows everything and what we're doing is perfect. Our free will is to do the realest thing possible and now is what it is.
I asked a similar question just before I saw this. Must be in the air. I like the way you put it.

Comment on: Does the conept of free will dietize us?

Bigthink — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:29:48 +0100

In a short answer, yes.
Nice question Skeptic44.
I would put it this way: we are connected to the original movement, that starts us off at point A. Our life is free will, we make the original choices that spawn others into motion, or slow, or kill, other movements, but there is no denying the fact that we all travel to the same point B, death.
Our only predestination in life is death. Everything else is free will.