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Comment on: The big bang? or a big mistake?

Bigthink — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:07:00 +0100

musycks,
sorry for replying late. i've been quite busy lately as i'm preparing for my graduation & such.

you make a very good point. i agree. thank you for everything. we've had a nice long talk. i respect you a lot. i'll try to think up more ideas so we can share our views in other subjects soon :]
take care,
Isabel.

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Bigthink — Fri, 23 May 2008 04:35:38 +0100

Hi Isabel,
Sorry to get back to this late. I enjoy the website, it keeps my brain active and it's an area of interest.
I obviously have some pretty set views as I'm older and have been exposed to all the arguments for a long time... but the types of views we see here are roughly in 3 camps I think.
1. Ideal Theistic thinkers.. mostly young people who can't conceive of a world without their god, and see everything around them in ways that makes it fit into their view. there's beauty and order in the world, so god did that etc.. you'd fall into that camp. Everything is faith related.

2. People who object to the influence faith has on the world, and argue for a scientific or non supernatural world view based on evidence and reason. (I'd fit into that)

3. People who just like the idea of something better and call it god.. like god is love, god is energy, etc.. they just can't buy god is Jesus specifically.

So it's an interesting mix, and you'll find plenty of diversity of thought and maybe some ideas that will be useful.
Don't be afraid to contribute, all perspectives are useful, even if we get a bit heated now and then!
take care,
Michael

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Bigthink — Wed, 14 May 2008 00:20:37 +0100

sounds good, musycks.

how are you finding this website?

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Bigthink — Thu, 08 May 2008 07:20:02 +0100

that's cool... just don't stop thinking or questioning and you'll do okay...
take care..

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Bigthink — Tue, 06 May 2008 21:04:11 +0100

musycks, ya that does make sense.
but sadly, still not convinced.

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Bigthink — Fri, 02 May 2008 05:37:40 +0100

Isabel.. no emphasis intended, it's just a fact. The best way to look at JC from a non-believers viewpoint is that he was reforming a corrupt Jewish Church. So he did no more than Martin Luther did hundreds of years later to the Xtian catholic Church.

an historical footnote too.. who was the first city to have the Jews mark their clothing for identification and restrict where they could live and what they could do?
Berlin?..... no, Rome.
They beat Hitler to it by hundreds of years.

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Bigthink — Thu, 01 May 2008 23:54:14 +0100

musycks, why are you enphasizying the fact that jesus was a jew?

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Bigthink — Thu, 01 May 2008 23:51:52 +0100

RO, you're correct, they should'nt be coupled together.

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Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:21:36 +0100

S44... Dueteronomy my friend... I quoted it to some doorknocking Mormons and asked if they were going to kill me... great sport!

and Jesus did not come to spread Xtianity..
he came to reform the Jewish church if anything, which he judged to be corrupt.
He died a Jew, not a Xtian.

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Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:24:46 +0100

If jesus said contradictory things how can we know what his purpouse for coming was, whcih ones are corect.

But in any case the ideas we were talking about are not the words of Jesus but, a passage about killing those who belive in other gods(i forget what it was), and genessis.

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Bigthink — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:10:11 +0100

Hi there Isabel,

This is a very long thread, so I only stopped to read the juicy bits%u2026

(Can I complement everyone on there good manners?)

The only contribution that I would like to make is to suggest that Evolution and Big Bang theories should not be coupled together. There are very different levels of certainty attached to them in the scientific community.

The Theory of Evolution is growing in strength as additions are made to the fossil record and as science of genetics has illustrated how the process works at gene level. It has been developed to a point well beyond reasonable doubt.

The Big Bang theory is more contingent, and as the hypothesis relates to a processes that cant be observed under control conditions, it will almost inevitably remain a source of speculation and doubt until new evidence becomes available.

Both are excellent illustrations of the scientific method at work. But weaknesses in one theory do not reflect on the veracity of the other.

Cheers,

RO

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Bigthink — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:53:02 +0100

S44, this is how i see it. We all know what Jesus' concept for coming on earth, which is ofcourse that he came to spread the world of christanity and love and all that. so what i see is that if he randomly said some thing opposite to everything good he was saying, i don't see how it would make sense so i believe he was trying to mean something different.

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Bigthink — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:14:17 +0100

Im sure the bible can be used as a catalyst for psychologycal healing and improvement. But when we concern ourselves with the truth, which parts of the bible are true and which are false, you can easily incorporate the big ban and evolution by not taking genessis literally.

My question to you is how do you decide which arts to take litterally and which not to take and what makes you think tha you are correct?

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Bigthink — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:21:17 +0100

Skeptic44, you're right.
i just see it as, the bible can help each and everyone one of us in a different way because just opening to a random page and reading that page can help you with your troubles.
everyone interprates it differently.

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Bigthink — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 05:25:44 +0100

Exectlly if that part should not be interpreted literall why should genessis.

Seems like you have a barage of arguments coming at you Isabel, sorry to add to them, because you seem like you have your hands full. But im sure thinking about them will help you be openminded and an intelectual.

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Bigthink — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:43:51 +0100

but thats the point. You dont believe that that part of the bible should be taken literally, others believe different parts of the bible should not be interpreted literally, and eventually the bible becomes completely meaningless. People can pick and choose how each part should be interpreted and make it conform to whatever they want it to. People who supported slavery and those who opposed it used the same bible to bolster their arguments, they just ignored the others's arguments because they weren't interpreting the word correctly. I can say that the bible does not conflict with the big bang or evolution, and that the parts that seem to shouldn't be taken literally, but someone would say that those passages were meant literally, and therefore I'm wrong.

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Bigthink — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:28:45 +0100

skeptic44, its not a don't like that part of the bible, i'm just saying i don't believe that's what God was trying to say or else it just wouldn't make sense.

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Bigthink — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:20:31 +0100

musycks, there is soo much to think about here.
yes, luckily i have time to discover the answers to all of this.
thank you for your advice.

pps. im not sure if ill be able to come but i would like to. don't worry, i'm sure those young catholics won't harm you. maybe they will convert you to catholicism again. haha, justt kidding.

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Bigthink — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:36:33 +0100

Oh dear, poor Isabel... so much to chew on there.. the good news is you have your life ahead of you to do it... don't feel you have to solve it all in one go!
If you do go to Humes' 'answering believers' post! it's all there! but it's hard work.
Good luck....

ps..Will we see you in Sydney for World Youth Day?.. my town is being invaded by hundreds of thousands of young catholics!
ahhh... I'm being punished!!

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Bigthink — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:47:31 +0100

Sorry about the spelling my keyboard is a bit messed up it seems.