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It has to be a collective definition of a good life. The definition of a good life to me is a society, a world where the majority of the people have the fundamental, basic rights – freedom of association, freedom of assembly, freedom from poverty. A world where the right to a job is an economic right. A world where the lives of all human beings is meaningful. It doesn’t have to be a luxury. It’s meaningful. People are content. People have the basic needs. And we can’t . . . We’re not talking here about equal outcomes. We’re talking about equal opportunities. If we can guarantee equal opportunities to citizens of the globe, that will be a measure of success.

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In America for example – America is a good country – but what’s happening in the ghettos of America? The poor white people in America? The poor black people in America? As we speak right now, one-third of young, black males in America are in prison, on parole or probation in this great nation. Why? How can a super power – the greatest nation on planet earth – have a third of an ethnic group . . . A third of the young black males in America are in prison, on parole or probation. Why? Why can’t we come up with a sociological and societal solution? So we are pushing for solutions ________ that cover all classes, all races, male, female so that our populations, our people are happy. And that same philosophy is our plight in the globe. You can’t have success in Japan when there’s failure in Somalia and Zimbabwe. You can’t have success in America when there’s chaos in Iraq and Cuba. We must pursue global success.

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Terrorism, for example. You can’t have a war on terror without addressing the grievances that those people who are involved in terrorism have. We will never endorse and support terrorism as a philosophy. But it would be naïve and simplistic to think that we can fight terrorism without asking ourselves why just this week, seven doctors were involved in terrorist attacks in England. Seven doctors who are successful people who are doing well in the world. We must ask ourselves what would cause a medical doctor who is at the top of his class to decide to turn in their life in pursuit of a cause. What is the cause? And the reason we say this is when we address some of the issues that create fertile grounds for terrorism, then we can solve the issue around terrorism. So which means political grievances, economic grievances that Africans have, Asians, Arabs, Europeans, Americans must be addressed. So this is what we seek – a holistic and unified approach to all global challenges

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The major big idea for me which I would want the world to understand – in particular the west . . . the western powers – is the notion of interconnectedness of global challenges. Climate change, stem cell research, globalization, nuclear weapons, terrorism, poverty . . . all these global challenges are interconnected. You can’t solve the issues of our climate change without addressing global poverty. You can’t solve the issues around terrorism without addressing the issue of human rights. It is imperative for all global players to understand that we must be seeking a global victory. We must be seeking global success. Yes, maybe you can’t concentrate on all the challenges. But as you address climate change as a problem, realize that climate change is linked to poverty. It’s linked to human rights. It’s linked to nuclear weapons as a challenge. And so we need more holistic models; more encompassing, unified approaches in terms of addressing global challenges. So that’s my major concern; because when I listen to my friends in America and my friends in Europe, they seem to have this atomic approach to challenges where they are so concerned about global warming and climate change. And they do not, in the same breath, discuss about a starving peasant in Somalia. A starving peasant in Somalia cannot have a green agenda; cannot think about global warming. They will eat grass. They will cause deforestation because they have to survive. So if you are serious about addressing climate change, you must at the same time address issues around poverty. So in summary, all global challenges are interconnected. You can’t solve one challenge without addressing the other. Terrorism, for example. You can’t have a war on terror without addressing the grievances that those people who are involved in terrorism have. We will never endorse and support terrorism as a philosophy. But it would be naïve and simplistic to think that we can fight terrorism without asking ourselves why just this week, seven doctors were involved in terrorist attacks in England. Seven doctors who are successful people who are doing well in the world. We must ask ourselves what would cause a medical doctor who is at the top of his class to decide to turn in their life in pursuit of a cause. What is the cause? And the reason we say this is when we address some of the issues that create fertile grounds for terrorism, then we can solve the issue around terrorism. So which means political grievances, economic grievances that Africans have, Asians, Arabs, Europeans, Americans must be addressed. So this is what we seek – a holistic and unified approach to all global challenges. And more importantly, within countries, less also look in all sectors of society. In America for example – America is a good country – but what’s happening in the ghettos of America? The poor white people in America? The poor black people in America? As we speak right now, one-third of young, black males in America are in prison, on parole or probation in this great nation. Why? How can a super power – the greatest nation on planet earth – have a third of an ethnic group . . . A third of the young black males in America are in prison, on parole or probation. Why? Why can’t we come up with a sociological and societal solution? So we are pushing for solutions ________ that cover all classes, all races, male, female so that our populations, our people are happy. And that same philosophy is our plight in the globe. You can’t have success in Japan when there’s failure in Somalia and Zimbabwe. You can’t have success in America when there’s chaos in Iraq and Cuba. We must pursue global success. We must pursue global victory. Climate change affects all countries, so you can’t fix climate change in America without fixing climate change in Sudan. And also poverty, human rights and other issues.

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Just to name a few: Mauritius, South Africa, Ghana and Senegal. Those are good examples. They’re having challenges, but they’re moving. South Africa has done well in terms of institution building. Mandela came and went. Mbeki is leaving in 2009. So at least that’s an achievement. Leaders are coming and going in Africa through democratic systems. Kofuor came to power through a democratic process. ________ economic reforms in Ghana. Things are moving. Mauritius. These are some very interesting examples of economic transformation. Africa has so much potential. Three drivers in Africa. One, natural resources. We have so many natural resources. We are the richest continent on planet earth. The problem is in terms of extracting those resources, refining those resources, and using those resources for the benefit of Africa. Secondly, human capital. There are so many well educated Africans who are in Europe, who are in America, who are in Africa. We have the potential in terms of human capital – excellent human capital. And that human capital can be used to drive African economies. Our infrastructure – not so great in some parts, but potentially it can be fixed. So using our natural resources, using our human capital, and using effective infrastructure and building new infrastructure, Africa can do well. And those examples I’ve indicated are an illustration that it’s possible for African countries to rise up and be players under globalization.

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Africans must take responsibility for the problems they are facing. It has been 50 years since Ghana’s independence in 1957. It has been 27 years since the independence of Zimbabwe. It has been 13 years since the independence of South Africa. So whatever is happening in Africa, we as Africans must take responsibility for our circumstances. There has been a major failure around vision in Africa – political vision and economic vision. There has been major failure around leadership – political leadership and economic leadership. So Africans . . . We Africans are guilty as charged in terms of failure. Having said that, prior to our independence, and even after our independence, there have been external factors that have made our existence and our development very problematic. Before independence, ________ slavery and the slave triangle. That distorted the history and trajectory of Africa’s development. After slavery, the project of colonialism. That, again, disturbed and changed the history and trajectory of African development. Okay? And then we fought wars and struggles of independence and anti-colonialism. We managed to get our independence. After that independence, there still were elements of neo-colonialism and external factors, external corporations, external governments that were involved in a negative way in our economic operations. In terms of manipulation of the economy, ownership of the industries without actually cultivating and building infrastructure and so on and so forth, promoting civil wars. Western powers were involved in pitting one ethnic group against another. Western powers and companies in Africa were involved – are involved in using ethnic conflicts to get access to diamonds, access to oil, and so on and so forth. So these are some of the forces that have led to our challenges in Africa – slavery, colonialism, neo-colonialism, and sheer greed.

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The stepping point should always be the fact that Africans must take responsibility for their own actions. (7) Africans must take responsibility for the problems they are facing. It has been 50 years since Ghana’s independence in 1957. It has been 27 years since the independence of Zimbabwe. It has been 13 years since the independence of South Africa. So whatever is happening in Africa, we as Africans must take responsibility for our circumstances. There has been a major failure around vision in Africa – political vision and economic vision. There has been major failure around leadership – political leadership and economic leadership. So Africans . . . We Africans are guilty as charged in terms of failure. Having said that, prior to our independence, and even after our independence, there have been external factors that have made our existence and our development very problematic. Before independence, ________ slavery and the slave triangle. That distorted the history and trajectory of Africa’s development. After slavery, the project of colonialism. That, again, disturbed and changed the history and trajectory of African development. Okay? And then we fought wars and struggles of independence and anti-colonialism. We managed to get our independence. After that independence, there still were elements of neo-colonialism and external factors, external corporations, external governments that were involved in a negative way in our economic operations. In terms of manipulation of the economy, ownership of the industries without actually cultivating and building infrastructure and so on and so forth, promoting civil wars. Western powers were involved in pitting one ethnic group against another. Western powers and companies in Africa were involved – are involved in using ethnic conflicts to get access to diamonds, access to oil, and so on and so forth. So these are some of the forces that have led to our challenges in Africa – slavery, colonialism, neo-colonialism, and sheer greed. (7)(8)And also double standards, hypocrisy and duplicity in terms of foreign policy by the west. For example, America. We all love America, don’t we? But America and Africa supported Mobutu Sese Seko who was a dictator in Zaire. America supported Savimbi who was a rebel and a destructive player in Africa. They did that because those characters were anti-communist, and they were serving the American agenda of anti-Soviet expansion. So we don’t blame the Americans, because America is pursuing their own political and ______ agendas; but it had a negative impact on our development. And also we were fighting for our independence. The assistance we got was from the east, not the west. And so Soviet Union, China, Cuba, Kadafi. These characters, as despicable as some of them are, were very central in assisting us in achieving our independence. So these are some of the forces and players that have led to where Africa is today. But when the chips are down, the buck stops with the Africans.(8) Because Japan was wiped out in the Second World War; but today Japan is a global player. They managed to fix themselves up since 1945. But in Ghana – 1957 to now – they haven’t done that. In Zimbabwe, 27 years. So we’re not actually scapegoating. We’re just analyzing the factors. But the bulk of the blame, the responsibility, lies with us. We are guilty as charged as Africans. But we’re waking up, and we are working on making African countries globally competitive through science and technology, and also leveraging globalization. We shall overcome all those subjects.

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There is a drought of leadership in Africa. There are leaders who are trying at the moment. John Kofi Agyekum Kufuor is making some efforts in Ghana. Thabo Mvuyelwa Mbeki is also making efforts in South Africa. But I think we have a drought of leadership, because what we want to see in Africa is a leadership that has vision, and a vision that will make Africa respected. Not because we ask for respect, but we are respected because we have become players that are globally competitive. And also leaders that can unify the _______ of Africa. And that globalization . . . that survival is defined by regional sovereignty – super, national sovereignty; continental-wide sovereignty that says, “Let’s work together as regions. Let’s get to work together as Africa,” because numbers make a difference with globalization. We can’t compete with the European Union as Zimbabwe and South Africa. We can’t compete against the Chinese and the Americans as small countries. We can compete as regions _______ as the A.U. So this notion of regional integration – this notion of pooling our resources together – we need leaders in Africa who are driven by regional sovereignty. And we have had leaders who have talked about this. For example _________. You know he had his faults; but in 1961 they adopted their constitution. They _________. We as Africans are prepared to surrender our sovereignty in part or in total in pursuit of African unity ________. That’s the kind of leaders we want in Africa – leadership that is driven by Pan African sovereignty, and that moves away from national sovereignty. So no . . . Yes there are leaders who are trying in Africa, but we have a long way to go in terms of having that vision that is based on technology and science; a vision based on a regional sovereignty; and that will make Africa a respectable continent on this planet earth.

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Right now I’m involved in the struggle in Zimbabwe. The major problem in Zimbabwe is around two issues. Number one, political illegitimacy. What’s happening in Zimbabwe is that those who are running our country have been so without the consent of the government. They are in power because they stole elections. They were involved in fraudulent elections. Political illegitimacy is the number one challenge. The second challenge is around poor economic governance, which has led to a complete failure in the economic management of our country, to the extent that we’re talking about 85% unemployment in our country; 95% poverty levels in the country. Inflation numbers – official numbers of inflation – 5,000%. The actual number? Fifteen thousand percent. Life expectancy in our country? Thirty five years. And every week 4,000 people are dying because of HIV/AIDS and malnutrition in our country. If we don’t get food assistance this year, four million people might die of starvation. Those are the challenges I am grappling with in my country to say why can’t we have a legitimate government that is elected by people through a free and fair election? Why can’t we have economic programs, economic solutions that will make Zimbabwe a globally competitive economy and not a basket case where we are today? Those are the issues I am grappling with at the moment as a leader – one of the leaders – in the Opposition in Zimbabwe.

So far we have managed to raise the profile of issues in the country and internationally. Secondly, we have managed to campaign on the grounds through defiance campaigns, through demonstrations, strikes and rallies so that we can put pressure on the regime of Robert Mugabe in our country so that we can demand conditions for free and fair. So we have achieved the propaganda wall around creation of conditions for free and fair. Secondly, we have also achieved – or we’re still working on – building a united front inspired by a single _______ principle so that in any election in our country, we can present a viable and electable opposition that can win power against the dictatorship of Robert Mugabe. So creating conditions for free and fair elections – we are working on that. We’re raising the proffer of that issue. Creating a united front to win elections – we’re working on that. And we’re raising the proffer on that matter. And also number three, we have been crafting the economic blueprints – the economic solutions – that will allow our country to move from poverty to the Promised Land. So this . . . this is what defines our achievements; but there are achievements that are part of work in progress. They are not complete, but they’re the achievements that define our efforts to bring about resolutions in our country.

The legacy of my part – the legacy of my colleagues and myself . . . I don’t believe in individual legacy. I believe in collective legacy. I believe in generational legacy. The legacy of my generation and my country is that of transforming Zimbabwe from poverty, from crisis, to make Zimbabwe a globally competitive economy – making Zimbabwe the Singapore of Africa. Making Zimbabwe the Switzerland of Africa. If as a generation we’re able to make Zimbabwe the Malaysia, the Singapore of Africa in terms of GDP, per capita income, business growth, economic empowerment of all my people, that will be our legacy – an economic legacy and an economic mandate.

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I think we should be asking ourselves what is the meaning of our existence. Why are we here? What is the meaning of our lives? And if we ask ourselves that question, then we will find that we commit ourselves to making this world a better place. In other words, the meaning of our lives and the purpose of our existence is what we should be asking ourselves.

Keep talking. The whole notion of an ideas festival must be cherished. Why? Because you can’t tell whether an idea is wrong or right unless you have engagement; unless you have a festival of ideas. And so we must cherish the notion of an ideas festival as a daily practice, as something we do in our countries, and that we do in our most ______ institutions. The conversation around ideas must continue, and we must approach the dialogue with an open mind. And also we must cherish diversity and not be threatened diversity. And diversity means different cultures, different languages, different geographies, different histories, but also diversity of ideas and mindsets. That’s how we can propagate and continue with this debate.

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There is a drought of leadership in Africa. There are leaders who are trying at the moment. John Kofi Agyekum Kufuor is making some efforts in Ghana. Thabo Mvuyelwa Mbeki is also making efforts in South Africa. But I think we have a drought of leadership, because what we want to see in Africa is a leadership that has vision, and a vision that will make Africa respected. Not because we ask for respect, but we are respected because we have become players that are globally competitive. And also leaders that can unify the _______ of Africa. And that globalization . . . that survival is defined by regional sovereignty – super, national sovereignty; continental-wide sovereignty that says, “Let’s work together as regions. Let’s get to work together as Africa,” because numbers make a difference with globalization. We can’t compete with the European Union as Zimbabwe and South Africa. We can’t compete against the Chinese and the Americans as small countries. We can compete as regions _______ as the A.U. So this notion of regional integration – this notion of pooling our resources together – we need leaders in Africa who are driven by regional sovereignty. And we have had leaders who have talked about this. For example _________. You know he had his faults; but in 1961 they adopted their constitution. They _________. We as Africans are prepared to surrender our sovereignty in part or in total in pursuit of African unity ________. That’s the kind of leaders we want in Africa – leadership that is driven by Pan African sovereignty, and that moves away from national sovereignty. So no . . . Yes there are leaders who are trying in Africa, but we have a long way to go in terms of having that vision that is based on technology and science; a vision based on a regional sovereignty; and that will make Africa a respectable continent on this planet earth.

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Very optimistic, provided we are prepared to do three things. The first one is to understand the nature of the beast. Do we understand the interconnectedness of global challenges? Once we have done that understanding, we’re moving towards a cautious optimism. Secondly, are we prepared to become players? It’s not good enough to sit down, and pontificate, and debate. Pick up one or two ideas and become a player. So if all citizens of the world become players in their different ways in pursuit of a better world, then we can be optimistic. And the last one is the issue of realizing that the globe is the only measure of success. There is no other way of measuring success. Success is going to be measured by the globe. In other words, success has to be global. Success has to be all people, all nations of the world. Once we have that framework, yes, I’m very optimistic. And I’m sure the people of the world are determined to see success. And through collaboration we can get that. We will get that. So I’m very optimistic. But there has to be work to be done. There has to be blood, sweat and tears; which means people have to put their shoulder to the wheel.

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The major big idea for me which I would want the world to understand – in particular the west . . . the western powers – is the notion of interconnectedness of global challenges. Climate change, stem cell research, globalization, nuclear weapons, terrorism, poverty . . . all these global challenges are interconnected. You can’t solve the issues of our climate change without addressing global poverty. You can’t solve the issues around terrorism without addressing the issue of human rights. It is imperative for all global players to understand that we must be seeking a global victory. We must be seeking global success. Yes, maybe you can’t concentrate on all the challenges. But as you address climate change as a problem, realize that climate change is linked to poverty. It’s linked to human rights. It’s linked to nuclear weapons as a challenge. And so we need more holistic models; more encompassing, unified approaches in terms of addressing global challenges. So that’s my major concern; because when I listen to my friends in America and my friends in Europe, they seem to have this atomic approach to challenges where they are so concerned about global warming and climate change. And they do not, in the same breath, discuss about a starving peasant in Somalia. A starving peasant in Somalia cannot have a green agenda; cannot think about global warming. They will eat grass. They will cause deforestation because they have to survive. So if you are serious about addressing climate change, you must at the same time address issues around poverty. So in summary, all global challenges are interconnected. You can’t solve one challenge without addressing the other. Terrorism, for example. You can’t have a war on terror without addressing the grievances that those people who are involved in terrorism have. We will never endorse and support terrorism as a philosophy. But it would be naïve and simplistic to think that we can fight terrorism without asking ourselves why just this week, seven doctors were involved in terrorist attacks in England. Seven doctors who are successful people who are doing well in the world. We must ask ourselves what would cause a medical doctor who is at the top of his class to decide to turn in their life in pursuit of a cause. What is the cause? And the reason we say this is when we address some of the issues that create fertile grounds for terrorism, then we can solve the issue around terrorism. So which means political grievances, economic grievances that Africans have, Asians, Arabs, Europeans, Americans must be addressed. So this is what we seek – a holistic and unified approach to all global challenges. And more importantly, within countries, less also look in all sectors of society. In America for example – America is a good country – but what’s happening in the ghettos of America? The poor white people in America? The poor black people in America? As we speak right now, one-third of young, black males in America are in prison, on parole or probation in this great nation. Why? How can a super power – the greatest nation on planet earth – have a third of an ethnic group . . . A third of the young black males in America are in prison, on parole or probation. Why? Why can’t we come up with a sociological and societal solution? So we are pushing for solutions ________ that cover all classes, all races, male, female so that our populations, our people are happy. And that same philosophy is our plight in the globe. You can’t have success in Japan when there’s failure in Somalia and Zimbabwe. You can’t have success in America when there’s chaos in Iraq and Cuba. We must pursue global success. We must pursue global victory. Climate change affects all countries, so you can’t fix climate change in America without fixing climate change in Sudan. And also poverty, human rights and other issues.

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I think my major philosophy is rooted in two aspects. The first aspect is that we should believe in institution building and not personalities. Institutions should be _______ our activities. All our activities must be based on institutions and not personalities. So in Africa our challenge is how do we build good institutions? How do you build a value system? And we should always depend on institutions and value systems; but it takes time to develop value systems. It takes time to build institutions; but there is no alternative to institution building and the development of a value system. The second piece of my philosophy is around science and technology – that we need to make sure we use science and technology as key drivers to bring about economic transformation, which then empowers our people economically so that their ________ conditions are improved in terms of access to health, access to education, access to jobs. The right to a job should be understood as a human right. And that there has to be some degree of equitable distribution of wealth so that the gap between the “haves” and the “have nots” is not draconian; but at the same time respecting the role of the market, competition, creativity, innovation. But there has to be an element of social justice that says inclusiveness – participatory democratic existence that says the people must participate in the economy. These are the ideas that drive my philosophy on the economy and around economics.

It has to be a collective definition of a good life. The definition of a good life to me is a society, a world where the majority of the people have the fundamental, basic rights – freedom of association, freedom of assembly, freedom from poverty. A world where the right to a job is an economic right. A world where the lives of all human beings is meaningful. It doesn’t have to be a luxury. It’s meaningful. People are content. People have the basic needs. And we can’t . . . We’re not talking here about equal outcomes. We’re talking about equal opportunities. If we can guarantee equal opportunities to citizens of the globe, that will be a measure of success.

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I think the inspiration comes from a vision – a vision which is inspired by the need to self-transcend. We are saying let’s go below, beyond the _________ of needs, where _______ talks about self-actualization at the _______ stage. We’re saying that’s not good enough. Let’s go beyond self. So my inspiration – our inspiration – is rooted in the need to self-transcend, go beyond self and leave a legacy. What is the meaning of our lives? What will be our legacy 500 years from now? So the inspiration comes from the need to make a difference. The inspiration comes from the need to self-transcend and leave a legacy by going beyond self.

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So far we have managed to raise the profile of issues in the country and internationally. Secondly, we have managed to campaign on the grounds through defiance campaigns, through demonstrations, strikes and rallies so that we can put pressure on the regime of Robert Mugabe in our country so that we can demand conditions for free and fair. So we have achieved the propaganda wall around creation of conditions for free and fair. Secondly, we have also achieved – or we’re still working on – building a united front inspired by a single _______ principle so that in any election in our country, we can present a viable and electable opposition that can win power against the dictatorship of Robert Mugabe. So creating conditions for free and fair elections – we are working on that. We’re raising the proffer of that issue. Creating a united front to win elections – we’re working on that. And we’re raising the proffer on that matter. And also number three, we have been crafting the economic blueprints – the economic solutions – that will allow our country to move from poverty to the Promised Land. So this . . . this is what defines our achievements; but there are achievements that are part of work in progress. They are not complete, but they’re the achievements that define our efforts to bring about resolutions in our country.

The legacy of my part – the legacy of my colleagues and myself . . . I don’t believe in individual legacy. I believe in collective legacy. I believe in generational legacy. The legacy of my generation and my country is that of transforming Zimbabwe from poverty, from crisis, to make Zimbabwe a globally competitive economy – making Zimbabwe the Singapore of Africa. Making Zimbabwe the Switzerland of Africa. If as a generation we’re able to make Zimbabwe the Malaysia, the Singapore of Africa in terms of GDP, per capita income, business growth, economic empowerment of all my people, that will be our legacy – an economic legacy and an economic mandate. And at a broader level, we’re seeking a legacy for Africans. If as Africans . . . If as a generation of Africans we’re able to make African countries globally competitive economy and also build regional integration ________, A.U., the United States of Africa . . . if we can make Africa as a continent economically successful, then that’s the legacy we seek as a generation. Our legacy is around the economy. Our mandate is an economic mandate. That’s the legacy that we seek. We are sick and tired as Africans of being beggars. We’re sick and tired of these cycles of poverty and conflict. We want Africa to be a successful continent. We don’t seek charity. We don’t seek aid from anyone. We want economic development, we want investment so that Africans can be successful through economic development, through investment. We’re saying as Africans we want to be in charge of our natural resources. We want to make sure that we are producing refined products so that we’re selling cars. We’re selling computers to Europe, to America. We want to sell cars to Detroit and not _______ from Africa. So our legacy should be a legacy that makes Africa economically successful through value added manufacturing, through beneficiation, through the use of new technologies – wireless power, wireless telecoms, WIFI, WIMAX – through biotechnology, through clean energy. We have a unique opportunity actually to use _______ and cleaner technologies than the rest . . . than advanced countries. We have a unique opportunity to run where others walked. So that’s the legacy we seek – a revolution in economy; a revolution driven by science and technology in Africa so that Africans can become global players that are respected because of connectivity; that are respected because of output. We seek to become competitors to America, competitors to Japan, and competitors to Europe, and not second class citizens _______ globalization. That’s our legacy.

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I’m a soldier for social justice. I’m a soldier for freedom. Whatever I am, I’m actually about rights. I’m about economic rights. I’m about social justice. So I view myself as a freedom fighter – a soldier for social justice.

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My name is Arthur Mutambara. And I’m one of the leaders of the Opposition in Zimbabwe and the Movement for Democratic Change has been two formations. And I’m one of the presidents of those two formations.

I was so fond of history, and English, and the arts; but I deliberately decided to study the sciences and mathematics so that I would be the Renaissance man. I’ll still do history, I’ll still do English, I’ll still do current affairs because I was very passionate about those things; but I will pursue . . . I’ll then pursue engineering and science so that at the end of the day, I’ll end up understanding politics, philosophy and economics. And then at the same time understanding broader science, engineering and mathematics. So I decided deliberately to craft the life of Renaissance man.

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