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What is the most important war in human history?
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Johnross2007
Uploaded on 01/17/2008

In other words, what major conflict has had the most profound affect on civilization?

 

I know what I believe to be the most important conflict, but I will wait to post it, as I would rather see what ya'll come up with, without my opinion affecting the discussion yet.

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Re: What is the most important war in human history?
I think the most important war is the one who is being fought nowadays. I'm not talking about this construction of "war against terror", I'm talking about this real global war between the one who are maximazing their profit on cost of the one who are not able to compete with, the one who are most of the time invisible. It's not a war between countries per se and the front goes not only between different countries. The front is the demarcation line between the one who are included the cycle of gaining and invest and the one who are excluded. This line is within every country as well. Perhaps someone demurs that I got off the topic but history may not be something in the past as an enclosed matter. We are living in history and moreover this kind of exploitation which I've tried to describe is lasting since hundred of years, I merely point to colonialism. The war is not a declared one but it is one.
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It is difficult to pinpoint one war and say it is the most "important" war in human history.  There have been many conflicts which have greatly altered the ripples of history, sometimes greatly affecting the world for hundreds or thousands of years (Greco-Persian War, the Punic Wars, the Battle of Kosovo, the Manchu Wars in China, the Napoleonic Wars, the United States Revolutionary War, the Russian Civil War, etc etc etc).  For the sake of argument, I will give my examples of one of the major conflicts which abruptly turned the world on its heel and altered history indefinitely.  I feel, that based on the historical context, these conflicts were the "most important" wars/battles.

The Roman defeat at Teutoberg Forest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Teutoburg_Forest)

I feel that this had the greatest impact on Western civilization.  By not only losing, but losing embarassingly, at the ambush at Teutoberg, Publius Quinctilius Varus signed the death note to the Roman Empire.  It's all a very slippery slope, but I feel that it is a very safe argument to make.  He doomed the Roman Empire and greatly altered history.

By being lured and trapped into the fight, Varus and his legions were completely surrounded and vulnerable to a much smaller, clumsier, and less armed German army of brigands.  The three legions were the proverbial "sitting ducks" and were slaughtered in due form.  This defeat was overwhelming, and not even based on numbers alone, with the Romans losing between 15 and 20 thousand soldiers. 

They key to this defeat is morale.  The defeat gave the Germans a newfound sense of pride.  They had defeated, handily, the great and powerful forces of civilization!  Hermann, the German leader (who had beguiled Varus into the trap, as Hermann [Arminius] was a former Roman hostage who had become Varus' advisor) was exhonerated briefly (assassinated) as a king, and I feel is the inspiration for Seigfreid, the heroic dragonslayer from 1st century Gothic  epics.  Through this character and oral history, Hermann lived on to inspire German nationalism and defiance to the Roman Empire.  The success of this battle led to a resurgence of German resistance to Roman occupation, and the eventual abandonment by Rome of conquering Germany.  This is the infamous battle, was said to have driven Augustus Caesar partially mad, and he could be heard striking his head against doors and walls while mumbling or screaming "Varus!  Give me back my legions!"  Pretty heavy stuff if you consider just how powerful, sophisticated, and intelligent Augustus Caesar was.

In the short term, this had minor effects.  The Roman Empire, under Augustus' heirs, tried vainly to fulfill the dream of conquering and civilizing Germany.  Long story short- armies were amassed under various "Caesars", battles were fought, but mutinies and low morale led to an eventual stalemate on the issue, drawing the border between The Roman Empire and Germany at the Rhine.  The Roman Empire set its sights on other areas, as it still had problems with Parthians, Illyrians, Judaea, and (very important to note) an upstart, problemic Jewish carpenter name Jesus who was starting quite the uproar in Israel.

it is important to note that the aforementioned German pride and nationalism had long term affects.  This pride has been attributed to the ideals of Aryanism and its brain-child, Nazism.  Richard Wagner used the stories of Seigfried for his operas "Der Ring des Nibelungen".  These operas utilized the heroic character of Seigfried (remember, based on Hermann) and are peppered with symbols which would be embraced by the Nazis as Aryan, as well as his discrete anti-semitical words and very vocal distaste of Jews.  Adolf Hitler would use these same operas and idealologies in his propogandas against the Jews, and he himself used Siegfried and Aryan ideals (not to mention, its Ariosophatic focusses, which are based in Teutonic superiority, which is another fancy term for Aryan Pride) as the foundation for German Nationalism and Jewish inferiority during the Holocaust.

From a military standpoint, it is important to note that had the Romans conquered Germany, it would have been occupied and "civilized", meaning it would have paid taxes to Rome and built up its own military for the defense of Germany and its Overlord, Rome.  This did not happen.  Instead, most of Germany lived autonomously, fighting amongst itself and the Romans and whomever happened to be around.  The invasion of the Huns in the 4th Century AD sent the Goths fleeing to Rome for refuge, which, as we all know, led to a Gothic revolt in Rome and the fall of Rome to Gothic pillage. 

So, why does this matter?  How does this affect the world?  Who cares? 
Imagine if Varus hadn't been fooled, and his forces hadn't been massacred.  Imagine if the defeated German tribes had broken their loose alliance and fled to their hovels, as the Romans came marching in with aqueducts, roads, government, and protection.  There would not have been roots lain for the Aryan Race beliefs in regards to Germany.  There would not have been a Siegfried, or Wagner's operas, or a foundation for Nazism and its occult.  Perhaps there would not have been yet another supporter of anti-semitism in regards to Aryan Superiority?  I know that is stretching it a bit, but hey, i'm reaching for straws at this point, as my attention span is short.  There would have been a fortified and prepared Germany, a richer Rome, and no Hun invasion, in my opinion.  There would not have come a Holy Roman Empire run by Germans and Franks, as divided a Europe, an independent Britainnia, and possibly we'd all be speaking a Romance language right now.  It's a stretch, but I don't think one can rule it out.

Feel free to critique.  This is my first post, so keep that in mind.

 

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Re: What is the most important war in human history?

With respect for the prior question - in general terms any war that is historically recorded is important. We learn from history, no matter how biased or inexact it may be. Yet, it seems we never learn enough to understand that no war has ever resulted in the overview (justification for?) one side or the other subscribes too.

There cannot be "a most important war" decided; because we do not know the totality of any wars cause, impact or result. What was lost and/or gained, completely? Not just what is believed or selectively reported.

The sad thing is we might consider any war something to celebrate. This is done only when the misery and death accomplished is overlooked. Remember, the images we gain knowledge of during a conflict, the injury to mind, body and culture, too often shut away or edited from our societal mindfulness.

War is something to be rationalized, justified, while peace and respect-for-others is what is truly important. What is the most important peaceful outcome or continuance in human history?

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I belive the most important war was World War I because it redefined the politicsl atmosphere of the world. Corporations really became enthroned, the American socialist movement led by Euegen V. Debs was pretty much completly destroyed by the Sediation Act of 1917 and the Espionage Act of 1918. Before World War I everyone thought the world would always move forward but after World War I that illusion was destroyed. Also it's effect on nations was huge with Woodrow Wilson's Fourteen Points inspiring millions. Finally World War I almost directly led up into World War II.

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The most important war in human history, without a doubt, is the sum of all the current conflicts because until all current wars are resolved to a satisfactory end for all parties, our children's futures — and the planet's safety — are at risk. Any other choice as "the most important" only serves to further embitter those not still rolling in the spoils of their victory.
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Large or small, the impact of any war is felt. The impact of a given war should not be compared with that of others, but instead should be examined on its own merits. To look at some examples, the Gallic sack of Rome in 387BCE, although practically dealing only a minor setback to Rome's expansion, left a mark on the people that paved the way centuries later for Caesar's conquest of Gaul. The Gallic sack was short, but was to have a profound effect on the future of the western world. Teutoburg in 9CE put a halt to Caesar Augustus' expansion, slowing the spread of imperial Rome and, perhaps, limiting the Romanization of Europe. Despite the importance of each of these battles, a comparison of their importance is hardly useful.
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I believe that all wars have the same impact. The actual on-the-ground fighting leads to nothing more than a field of dead children and scarred veterens. To say that a war is great is usually to admit that it has resulted in the massacre of an entire generation. This is no doubt true of all wars as far back as when Cavemen A clubbed Cavemen B to take their fire.

 I do not see any real difference between any of the wars fought by humans. They are all waged out of fear. Wars are not won on the battlefield and it is the social trends and support structures which influence world events and global relations.

 

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I would argue that the most important war, a conflict which continues to have major implications today, is the systematic genocide of indigenous peoples and civilizations in the centuries following the European invasion of the Americas.
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The American Revolutionary War, the odds of winning that war were slim. On several occasions it could be argued that it was almost lost.  The surrender of cornwallis needn't have ended the war, merely prolonged it if England wished.

Many of these other wars throughout history, were inevitable.  i.e. the two biggest kids on the block were always destined to fight and history was always going to be affected and this type of conflict is inevitable. The magnitude of the outcome of the revolutionary war combined with its improbability give it the status of most important war.
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I don't think there is one single war that has single-handedly defined the present day as all wars have had a significant impact on how things were. Like very small wars have effects on bigger wars that follow. So, technically unimportant or atleast unknown wars could have great effects on thew wars that are commonly attributed to be future altering. All wars/conflicts/battles have significant effects on the way things are now. The one with the biggest impact however, in my opinion, would have to be the Gaulic war fought by Julius Caesar. Had he not put a decade of his hard work, blood, sweat and the lives of Roman Soldiers into that war he wouldn't have returned to Rome to conquer the republic and establish his dictatorship, ushering in the era that so defined the modern world that had it not happened the world would be incredibly different and would have been sent on a different route. I'm not saying it wouldn't be advanced, nor am I saying it would be more advanced. I truly can't tell. But it would definitely had the most profound impact. There are also many other reasons why I attribute it to be the most important, but I don't want to delve to far into them at the moment.
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