Description: Are the lessons of Ireland relevant?

Transcript: Well I have to preface my answer to that by in the first instance saying that I don’t think that you . . . that we have any special right to lecture; or we wouldn’t be arrogant enough to say, “Here’s the way to do it.” At the same time we learned from the South African process, and it is possible there are broad principles involved in any process of conflict resolution. And it is possible to take those broad principles and then adopt them or tweak them to suit the peculiarities of any given circumstance. So I think that if you . . . if you first of all – and this in the Middle East context sort of as I try to spell it out – you have to be inclusive. So you can’t . . . you can’t say we’re only going to deal with that group of this group. You have to be inclusive. You have to uphold the ________ dialogue. So you can’t say, “We will not talk.” I know it may seem a bit bizarre because people are naïve as to talking to me as I am naïve talking. But it wasn’t that long ago since I was censored from television. I couldn’t be . . . my voice couldn’t be broadcast. Even a short story that I wrote – a book of short stories – was banned from television. An advertisement for a book of short stories – an advertisement of somebody saying, “This is a new book of short stories” – was banned from television. I was banned from coming to the U.S.A. And I, you know, that doesn’t work. What happened in that context was that the state decided upon a security that it called euphemistically a “security response”. So you kill the enemy, you censor the enemy, you imprison the enemy. You get your friends to support you in that, and you get your international allies to support you in that position. So you perpetuate the conflict. Once you start to talk; once you open up proactive listening and dialogue; once you say, “Well we can’t choose who we talk to. The people have to choose that”, then you open up an entirely different dynamic, a different trajectory. And then within that, you know, there cannot be any predetermined outcomes. Everything has to be in the . . . on the table, on the agenda. You know you can’t say, “We talked, but we’re only gonna talk about this.” You don’t have to agree; but you have to allow other people to bring their issues forward. And then the key then, of course, is that there has to be a political will. You know in the Middle East . . . in the Middle East there is not the international political will to resolve that problem. And I view the . . . the international community __________ for its failure to actually grasp that problem and deal with it. In the Middle East, there is a peace process waiting for political leaders. The settlements there . . . the ability of popular __________ in my view of the people of the Palestinian territories and the people of Israel to live together in two separate states, but interdependent upon each other as neighbors; that it needs political leaders to make that happen.

Recorded on:10/8/2007