Josh Lieb: I have a horrible cartoon I want to make. There’s the people standing in line at St. Peter’s gate to go to heaven. And you know the rich men, the poor widows, and St. Peter’s asking them, “How much money did you make?” And that . . . and then the poor people are going to hell. See that’s my horrible cartoon. You know and that’s like . . . should not be the measure of a good life. My . . . I think . . . I think it’s being true to your . . . I . . . I really think it’s being true to your family and friends; to whatever world you’ve created around yourself – the real world with who are the people you care about. It’s not . . . I don’t think . . . I think you can try to make the world a better place, but I think too many people I see doing that become, you know, Mrs. __________. And they just . . . They throw themselves into that and screw over the people who are actually around them. I think causes are nice, but I your greatest cause needs to be your immediate circle.

Recorded on: 9/4/07